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酥什么 发表于 2020-1-8 22:33:09 | 只看该作者 打印 上一主题 下一主题
 
抗日电影十有八九都会有日本人强奸中国女人的情节,而我看过的关于犹太人和德国纳粹的电影,没有看见过这种情节。


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马克思语录 发表于 2020-1-8 22:33:50 | 只看该作者
 
刚巧最近正在看有关二战屠犹女性方面的研究,有涉及到纳粹士兵强奸犹太女性。
答案是肯定是有的。但是纳粹政权也确实颁布了禁止德军与低下种族(吉普赛人、犹太人等“劣等“”民族)发生性关系的法律。“The Laws for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour enacted in September 1935 not only prohibited marriage between Jews and 'subjects of the state of Germany or related blood' but also explicitly forbade extramarital relations” 正是因为这项法律的存在,很多历史学家想当然地下定结论:德国人是不会强奸犹太妇女的。

法律是这样规定的没错,但是纳粹士兵能否真正执行又是另外一码事。
纳粹强奸犹太妇女的史料大都来自于二战中幸存犹太人的回忆,这些材料在Yad Vashem, USC Shoah Foundation Institute's Visual History Archive等犹太大屠杀纪念博物馆中都能发现。

从德军发动战争伊始,就有犹太妇女开始被强奸。在占领区,纳粹士兵搜捕各家各户,有时会带走犹太女性(以强奸),1940年2月Johannes Blaskowitz纳粹将军在其回忆录写到:2月18日,两名警卫用枪抵着Machmanowic(18岁)、Santowska(17岁)的脑袋,把她们从家中带至一处波兰墓地,然后对其中一名实施强奸,另外一名正处在生理期,哨兵要她几天后再来,并许诺她5兹罗提。尽管到后来隔都和集中营的建立,使得绝大多数的纳粹士兵无法接触到犹太人,但这并不能终止犹太女性被其强奸的命运。在波兰罗兹Lodz隔都内,幸存者Jakub Poznanski记述了当时德国隔都管理部部长Hans Biebow强奸并杀害了医生Sima Mandel16岁的女儿,这一点在战后1946年5月对Hans Biwbow的审判中也得到了证实。在特地为纳粹士兵开设的德国妓院(German Brothels)中,也随处可见犹太女性的身影。尽管“Regulations against Jewish women serving in brothels were made explicit in 1939 when the brothels were first set up but had to be reiterated in another order in March of 1942 suggesting the prohibition was not being observed”。大量证据表明,纳粹军官强迫犹太政务会(Judenrat)提供犹太女性“You Jews had better realize what's good for you. After all, we are here to stay and you must serve our needs”.在集中营内,德国士兵更是可以肆意强奸犹太妇女。"Sexual abuse was so pervasive that it was an acknowledged part of the camp culture"

补充一点为什么这一现象并不为多数人所知晓的原因:“rape was a taboo topic”许多幸存下来的犹太女性刻意隐藏自己曾经被强奸过的往事,她们也在意别人的眼光啊!直至后来自己的丈夫、亲人去世之后,她们才逐渐说出这段不堪回首的历史。

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对这一问题日前我写了篇文章发在澎湃新闻私家历史上,大家可以去围观。  
http://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1566024
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我只能读着伤害 发表于 2020-1-8 22:33:56 | 只看该作者
 
要知道不管从军队与平民的伤亡比还是绝对平民伤亡数量而言,德国的平民伤亡相对于被德国侵略国家而言都是相当的少的,仅仅是苏联有有将近两千万的平民死亡。在这数目巨大的被德军消灭的敌国人口中,有多少妇女是因为被杀而从未有机会活下来讲述她们的遭遇的呢?
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看到现在第一的回复里吹德军注意种族纯洁不和外族女人乱搞,我只能说纳粹的宣传机构果然强大,甚至都能影响到半个世纪后的人。或者说,现在总有部分人自觉主动的接受纳粹余孽的洗脑,甚至还自发的帮助宣传?在现在这个对洗脑异乎寻常敏感与深恶痛绝的年代,还有人上赶着去被洗脑,我能说这是种奇观么?
原谅我大段大段抄维基,维基百科甚至有专门的的德国国防军罪行科目,其下有专门的“大规模强奸”部分:
Mass rapesRapes were allowed in practice by the German military in eastern and southeastern Europe, while northern and western countries were relatively spared.
In Occupied Denmark, which initially agreed to collaborate with Nazi Germany, rapes were not widespread, and German officials promised to punish them.
By contrast thousands of Soviet female nurses, doctors and field medics fell victim to rape when captured, and were often murdered afterwards.
German soldiers used to brand the bodies of captured partisan women – and other women as well – with the words "Whore for Hitler's troops" and rape them.
Following their capture some German soldiers vividly bragged about committing rape and rape-homicide.
在东线和东南欧,强奸是被德国军方所认同的一种行为,但北欧和西欧则较为罕见。在占领丹麦期间,同事先所约定好的那样,强奸并不普遍,且德国军官承诺处罚类似行为。
与此截然相反的是,在俄国数以千计的俄国女性护士,医生沦为了强奸的受害者,并通常被杀害。德国士兵经常在抓获的俄国妇女身上写上标语“希特勒军队专用妓女”并加以强暴。有些被俘的德军经常会生动的以夸耀的口吻描述他们是如何实施强奸与奸杀的。
In the Soviet Union alone an estimates regarding the rape of Soviet women by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents, with between 750,000 and 1,000,000 children being born as a result.
Birgit Beck in her work Rape: The Military Trials of Sexual Crimes Committed by Soldiers in the Wehrmacht, 1939–1944 describes the leniency in punishing sex crimes by German authorities in the East, at the same time pointing out heavy punishments applied in the West.
If a soldier who committed a rape was subsequently convicted by a court-martial, he would usually be sentenced to four years in prison
The German penal code was also valid for soldiers in war.
but rapes were rarely prosecuted in practice and rapes by Germans of non-German women were not taken seriously, nor was it punishable by death, especially in the eastern European territories.
仅仅在苏联就估计有10,000,000起强奸事件,这还是德国国防军自己所估计的,作为结果有大约750,000到1,000,000的孩子出生。Birgit Beck在她的“强奸:德国国防军对士兵性犯罪的裁决,1939-1945”一书中写道,德军在东线基本对士兵的性犯罪不闻不问,同时却对在西线实施性犯罪的士兵处以重罚,通常被发现并确定罪行的士兵通常会判处4年监禁。参战的士兵同样要受到这条法律的约束。(很讽刺不是吗,搞西欧高等人种没事,去和劣等斯拉夫杂种玷污高贵的德意志血统却不受处罚,众德棍们如何看?)
但是实际上强奸却极少受到处罚且德国人强奸非德国的女性并不被当成一回事,同样也不会受到死刑的处罚,在东线尤甚。
Rape by Germans of non-German women was not taken seriously, nor was it punishable by death, especially in the eastern European territories.
In Soviet Russia rapes were only a concern if they undermined military discipline.
The German military command viewed them as another method of crushing Soviet resistance.
Since 1941, rape was theoretically punishable with the death sentence; however, this only concerned the rape of German women and was intended to protect German communities.
In October 1940 the laws on rape were changed, making it a "petitioned crime" – that is a crime for which punishment had to be requested. Historian Christa Paul writes that this resulted in "a nearly complete absence of prosecution and punishment for rape".
There were rape cases in the east where the perpetrators were sentenced if the rape was highly visible, damaging to the image of the German Army and the courts were willing to pass a condemning verdict against the accused.
According to the historian Regina Mühlhäuser the Wehrmacht also used sexual torture and undressing in numerous cases of interrogations.
在苏联只有当强奸严重影响了军队纪律的时候才会被考虑施以处罚。德军军事指挥机构将强奸视作是另一种击垮俄国的手段。自1941年开始,强奸理论上会被施以死刑。但是,这仅仅对强奸德国妇女的案例有效,其目的在于维护德国国内的社会秩序。
在1940年10月,关于强奸的法律发生了改变,变成了“妓女犯罪”---Christa Paul形容它是“对强奸行为处罚的完全漠视”。
根据历史学家Regina Muhlhauser的说法德国国防军也使用性虐待和迫使赤身裸体来作为刑讯的手段。
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在2013年的Rape as a Weapon of War: The Demystification of the German Wehrmacht During the Second World War中写道:
interactions between German men and ethnically “undesirable” women posed a major
threat to the preservation of German heritage. At a meeting of SS officers in 1943,
several commanders expressed concern about SS and Wehrmacht soldiers disregarding
laws for racial defilement. It was estimated that fifty percent of all men serving in the
East had “undesirable sexual intercourse with ethnically alien women.”46 This alarming
figure caused much distress among army leaders; it meant that they did not have absolute
control over their soldiers. It also presented a problem regarding the spread of sexually
transmitted infections and the possibility of foreign female spies acquiring valuable
information from their German lovers.
德国士兵与“不合适”的女性的交往对德意志遗产的保存构成了威胁。在1943年党卫军的一次会议当中,多名指挥官表达了关于党卫军和国防军士兵违反种族隔离条例的担忧。据他们估计有50%的东线服役人员有过“与不合适的女人发生的不合适的性关系”。这一值得警醒的数字对陆军指挥官造成了可观的压力,这意味着他们并没有完全的控制自己的士兵。这导致了性病的传播与可能的敌国女性间谍的渗透。
这篇文章有好多触目惊心的内容,仅仅先节选一段翻译。
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这是国防军在占领波兰后对波兰妇女犯下的罪行,这一部分回答了答主的问题,德国军队会强奸犹太妇女吗?答案是,只要是个女人就来者不拒。
RapesThere were rapes committed by soldiers of the Wehrmacht forces against Jewish women and girls during the Invasion of Poland.
Rapes were also committed against Polish women and girls during mass executions carried out primarily by the Volksdeutscher Selbstschutz, which were accompanied by Wehrmacht soldiers and on territory under the administration of the German military, the rapes were carried out before shooting the female captives.
Only one case of rape was prosecuted by a German court during the military campaign in Poland, the case of gang rape committed by three soldiers against women of the Jewish Kaufmann family in Busko-Zdrój; however, the German judge sentenced the guilty for Rassenschande - shame against the [German] race as defined by the racial policy of Nazi Germany - and not rape.
在入侵波兰期间发生过德国国防军士兵强奸犹太妇女的事件。
同样的也发生过德国”人民自卫组织“(大致翻译)与国防军士兵在大规模处决期间强奸波兰妇女与儿童的事件。强奸发生在将捕获的波兰妇女枪毙前。
在波兰战役期间只有一起强奸事件得到了裁决,三名德军士兵强奸了犹太人Kaufmann一家,但是仅仅裁决他们Rassenschande-------对德国的羞辱--------而非强奸。
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有好些著作反映了德军,包括国防军和ss,实施的性犯罪,德国人民自己都做出了反思,出版了相关二战德军性犯罪的著作:
Amazon.com: Sex Crimes under the Wehrmacht (Studies in War, Society, and the Militar) (9780803243323): David Raub Snyder: Books

http://www.amazon.de/Wehrmacht-Sexualverbrechen-deutschen-Milit%C3%A4rgerichten-1939-1945/dp/350671726X----------------------------------------
这是维基百科下“德国国防军战争罪行”条目
War crimes of the Wehrmacht

真不知现在这些鼓吹国防军干净党卫军垃圾的德棍们,你们在网上吹一个比起日本军队都好不到哪去的军队,你们家人知道吗?
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some2008 发表于 2020-1-8 22:34:19 | 只看该作者
 
会,当然会。什么种族优劣,在下体思考的动物面前,有意义吗?别说别人,就那个戈培尔,对,就那个大忽悠,认识了一个捷克女演员,斯拉夫人(也是纳粹口中的劣等),神魂颠倒,展开攻势,准备和家里的玛格达离婚……最后希特勒出面阻止,丫的,你要是干了这事,我们以后怎么骗人?
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吾滴样边 发表于 2020-1-8 22:34:47 | 只看该作者
 
不是有个说法,德军是一路从波兰强奸到苏联,然后苏联反攻,也一路从波兰干到了柏林
你说德军这一路过去有木有犹太女人啊?
上面怎么立法是一回事,真打仗了下面士兵能不能管住自己的下半身又是另一回事
战争中人性秩序是最大的破坏,再说别说犹太女人不少是非常漂亮的,仗打到后期,绝望奔溃的士兵对自己的约束力还那么高吗?
哦,最后让我们一起为夹在两个大国之间的大波波默哀→_→
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末日成欢oc丶 发表于 2020-1-8 22:35:26 | 只看该作者
 

从结构上讲,犹太女人的阴道和雅利安人的没有什么区别。
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九天玄鹰 发表于 2020-1-8 22:36:04 | 只看该作者
 
这个问题实在是幻想太多了。战争本身就是对世间一切法条秩序文明的践踏,还有什么事是不会发生的?
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Ahxello_ 发表于 2020-1-8 22:36:24 | 只看该作者
 
我想大多人的误解和偏差都源于强奸在纳粹词典里根本排不上号,而鬼子和毛子都只有强奸这个事能拿得出手。
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lupai1 发表于 2020-1-8 22:36:36 | 只看该作者
 
这个不知道。

但是美国的黑白混血很多都是黑人女奴被强暴后生的。
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我是王毛 发表于 2020-1-8 22:37:27 | 只看该作者
 
会。
战争时期,别说自己国家的女人。

男人都干。
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