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国外网友讨论:中国是朝鲜战争的赢家吗?

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Luca Yang, Know something about Chinese historyYes, definitely. The result of the Korean war was the best victory China could expect back in 1950s.Most answers here assume China could only “win” by uniting the entire Korea. That’s the goal of Kim’s regime, not the goal of PRC (the HQ of PVA ordered the armies to stop advancing under the pressure from Kim, for fear of the inbearable loss). That’s like saying Hitler could only win in the East Front by occupying the entire Russia (no, he just intented to reach Moscow).The reason why China definitely win the Korea war is that it fulfilled most of its goals, all of which was widely considered unrealistic, even imaginary, before the war, which include:Prevent the US army from reaching and invading Manchuria, or even trying to overthrow the new communist regime.Showing to the Soviet unx that China was able to protect Manchuria and support North Korea on her own, therefore preventing Manchuria from being colonized by the Soviet unx (which was probably why Stalin didn’t try to stop USA in the UN).Showing to the whole world that the newly-born communist China was able to protect itself from the military threat from anywhere, and project serious threat to the neibouring regions, which no Chinese army or government had been able to achieve for a century. As was put forward by Peng De’huAI, the commander in chief of PVA:它雄辩地证明:西方侵略者几百年来只要在东方一个海岸上架起几尊大炮就可霸占一个国家的时代一去不复返了(The Korea War) proves that, the period that western invader could occupy an entire country simply by deploying some connons on a shore in the east is gone.From the Korea War on, China could make credible threat to USA, a privilege probably only shared with the Soviet unx. In 1950s, US possibly took the warnings from Beijing asking them to not cross 38 degree line as a joke; however, in 1960s, the similar warning that China would join in the war if USA advanced across 17 degree line in Vietnam was apparently taken seriously.是的,肯定是,朝鲜战争的结果是50年代的中国可以期待的最好的胜利。这里的大多数回答都假设中国只有统一整个朝鲜才算胜利。但那是金家政权的目标,而不是PRC的目标(志愿军总指挥部在金家的压力下,命令部队停止前进,后者担心出现无法承担的损失)。这就像是在说只有占领全部俄罗斯,希特勒才算打赢了东线战争一样(不,他只想抵达莫斯科)。为什么中国肯定打赢了朝鲜战争,原因是它实现了大多数目标,而在战前,所有这些目标都被广泛认为是不现实的,甚至是幻想,包括:阻止美国到达并侵略满洲,或者甚至试图推翻这个新生的GCZY政权。向苏联展示中国能够独力保护满洲并支持北朝鲜,进而防止满洲被苏联殖民(而这可能是斯大林没有在联合国阻止美国的原因)。向全世界显示,这个新生的GCZY中国能够保护自己免受来自任何地方的军事威胁,并且可以对邻国地区造成严重的威慑,而一个世纪以来,没有哪一支中国军队或者哪个政府做到这一点。正如志愿军总司令彭德怀所说:它雄辩地证明:西方侵略者几百年来只要在东方一个海岸上架起几尊大炮就可霸占一个国家的时代一去不复返了。从朝鲜战争开始,中国可以对美国造成重大的威胁,而这种特权可能只有苏联能与之分享。在上世纪50年代,美国可能会把北京要求他们不要越过38线的警告当作笑话,然而到了60年代,“如果美国越过越南的17度线,中国就会加入战争”这个相似的警告却显然得到了严肃对待。--------Jeremy Gordon, Student of historyWell, let's look at human losses first.180,000 Chinese soldiers killed in Korean WarChina lost 180,000 men in Korea according to their own numbers. There are much higher estimates based on different numbers, as many as 600,000 I've seen claimed.How Many Americans Died In Korea?The US lost about 37,000 men in Korea. That's fighting both the North Koreans and Chinese troops.Korean War Fast FactsNorth Korea lost MINIMUM 1,000,000 lives including civilians, but I've seen other estimates that claim 20%–30% of the entire population was killed.———————————————————Look, in America this would be considered a catastrophic loss if we were China. The current administration would be crucified, their party tarred and feathered and run out of the country. I suppose that's the advantage of state-run media. The only “win” here is that North Korea still existed. America has to maintain public support for a war, otherwise everyone involved will be politically crucified. 37,000 deaths and 68 billion dollars was enough to turn the public against the war.I call this a stalemate. China and North Korea were willing to sacrifice as many lives as necessary to keep fighting, but they lost far far far more men in doing so. North Korea was devastated, and remains impoverished today. The US and South Korea were not able to accomplish their goal, but I don't think it's fair to claim what was achieved was a win for the Chinese. No one won.Look, China has easily 4–5 times the population of the US. However, if they lost troops at 10–20 times higher rates, how can you consider this a warning only to the Americans? Surely the Chinese would understand full scale conflict between the two would come at an atrocious human cost, and seek to avoid that as well.好吧,我们首先来看看损失的人数。18万名中国士兵在朝鲜战争中丧生。根据他们自己的数据,中国在朝鲜损失了18万人。根据不同的推测,还有高得多的数据,我看到过声称有60万人之多的说法。而有多少美国人在朝鲜丧生呢?美国大约在朝鲜损失了3.7万人。与北韩和中国军队作战的战损都包括在内。北韩至少损失了100万人,包括平民在内,但我还看到其他的推测数据,称全部人口的20-30%在战争中死亡。———————————————————看看,在美国,这会被视为一场灾难性的损失——如果我们是中国一方,现任政府会被钉死在十字架上,他们的政党会被涂上沥青并粘上羽毛,然后逃出这个国家。我猜测这就是官方媒体的优势所在。在这场战争中,唯一的“胜利”就是北韩依然存在。而美国不得不维持公众对战争的支持,否则每个参与其中的人都会被钉上政治的耻辱柱。3.7万的死亡和680亿美元足够让公众转变态度,反对这场战争。要我说这是一场僵局,中国和北韩愿意牺牲尽可能多的必要的生命,来继续作战,但是他们这样做的后果是,他们损失的人命远比美国要多。北韩被毁灭殆尽,直到今天还很贫穷。而美国和南韩未能实现它们的目标,但我觉得对于中国人而言,把他们的成果称之为胜利是不公平的。这场战争没有赢家。看看,中国的人口是美国的4-5倍。然而,如果他们以10-20倍的速度损失部队,人们怎么会把这样的战争看作只是对美国人的威胁?中国人当然会明白,这两个国家之间的全面冲突将让人类付出惨重的代价,也会想办法加以避免。Zimmer Eli“remains impoverished today”. Remain part is wrong because NK have a better GDP than SK right until Mid 70s.The famine you see today is because USSR is gone,no cheap fuel to supply NK’s mechanised agriculture“今天依然贫困”。依然贫困这一点说错了,因为直到70年代中期,朝鲜的GDP都比韩国更好。你今天看到的饥荒是因为苏联完蛋了,朝鲜不能获得廉价的油料进行机械化农业生产。Jeremy GordonHaving a higher GDP than SK in the 70s does not mean a country was not impoverished then as well. It simply means SK was also impoverished.朝鲜70年代的GDP比韩国高,也并不意味着这个国家当时不贫穷。只是意味着韩国也很贫穷。Iain RussellAnd no money to buy it with, no industry to trade, or no learning to replace it. No competence in the government to manage what they do have, and nobody amongst the people that’s allowed to change any of the above.没有资金用来购买,没有工业用于贸易,或者不知道替换它。政府没有能力管理他们拥有的东西,人民中也没有人获得允许去改变上面任何一项。Zimmer EliThat one have Kim to blame. China and USSR even supported coup within NK to make them change, and that was crushed. China and Vietnam are both are both socialist yet living a better life now.这要怪金家。中国和苏联甚至支持了朝鲜的政变,来让他们做出改变,而政变被粉碎了。中国和越南现在都还是社会主义,却拥有着更好的生活。Iain RussellIndisputably. The USSR moved away from Stalinism and prospered. China took a bit longer because they were hardliners. NK never stopped, and they’re in the geopolitical toilet as a result.没有争论的余地。苏联摆脱了斯大林主义并且繁荣起来。中国花的时间长了一点,因为他们是死硬分子。而朝鲜从来没有停止,结果就是他们掉进了地缘政治的茅坑。--------Chester Seres, Chinese, interested in military for over 10 yearsNo.The term “Korean War” refers to the one started by North Korea in June 25th, 1950, which bears the war goal of unifying the entire Korean Peninsula. Since China was on North Korea’s side and didn’t achieve that war goal, China did not win Korean War.However, Korean War was not even the one that China intended to fight. From Chinese perspective, the war it fought was called “抗美援朝,保家卫国”, i.e supporting the North to fight the US and defending China itself. The war goal on the Chinese side was to ensure national security, or you can put it as “to keep a buffer zone between US military bases in South Korea and China itself” (I don’t like to use this term but many people are familiar with that). In this case, China did win the war it intended to fight, but that’s just not Korean War.Something not related to the topic. I’ve seen many similar topics here on Quora analyzing why China support the North Korea in that war against the “UN forces” and mention “to keep a buffer zone between US military bases in South Korea and China itself”. That seems to be an aggressive act. However, I’ve rarely seen people mentioned that the US Air Force did BOMB Chinese villages in the northeast and caused civilian casualties BEFORE Chinese intervention in North Korea. Not to mention that the 7th Fleet sailed into Taiwan Strait to interfere Chinese civil war in June 27th, 1950, 2 days after North Korea invaded South Korea and way before China even issued a public announcement showing its own attitude toward that war. Both actions are brutal violations of another country’s sovereignty. Therefore, how would you expect China to react regarding Korea? One can even make the argument that it’s the US who dragged China into Korean War.Ok, so much for the unrelated stuff. We might want to take a look at who won the Korean War.China, no. Discussed before.The US? No. As its war goal of letting the South annex the North was not completed.DPRK? No. It failed its war goal of unifying the South.ROK? Arguable. Since South Korea didn’t declare war on North Korea first, one can argue that its war goal was to survive and it did survive with the help of the US. However, the South also had its “北进统一”(advance north and unify the country) strategy and it did advance north above the 38 degree line before other UN forces after Inchon, we can also argue that its war goal of unifying the peninsula was not fulfilled.USSR? Yes. Through Korean War, much of attention of the US was dragged towards Northeast Asia while the Soviet gained a strategic balance in Europe very soon. By wasting US resources in a meaningless war, it soon caught up with the US in military technology and successfully healed its wound of WWII. It also pulled China into its military alliance by providing nuclear protection and resulted in a ten-year Soviet-China honeymoon period.So the answer is somewhat surprising. Who won the Korean War? the Soviets.不是。“朝鲜战争”这个术语指的是由北朝鲜在1950年6月25日发起的战争,其目标是统一整个朝鲜半岛。既然中国站在朝鲜一边,却没有实现这个战争的目标,那么中国就不是朝鲜战争的胜利者。然而,朝鲜战争甚至并不是一场中国想要打的战争。从中国人的视角来看,它打的战争被称作“抗美援朝,保家卫国”,也就是支持朝鲜对抗美国,并保护中国自身。中国一方的战争目标是确保国家安全,或者可以说成是“在美军驻韩国的军事基地和中国自身之间维持一个缓冲区”(我不喜欢用这个术语,但很多人对这个词很熟悉)。就此看来,中国确实打赢了它想要打的战争,但那就不是朝鲜战争了。一些题外话。我在quora这里看到很多相似的话题,分析中国为什么要在那场战争中支持朝鲜,对抗“联合国军”,并且提到“在美军驻韩国的军事基地和中国自身之间维持一个缓冲区”。那似乎是一种侵略性的行为。然而,我很少看到有人提到这一点:在中国人介入朝鲜之前,美国空军的确轰炸了中国东北的村庄,并且造成中国平民的伤亡。更不必说,第七舰队于1950年6月27日驶入台湾海峡,目的是干涉中国的内战,这件事发生在北朝鲜入侵南朝鲜的两天之后,甚至也远远早于中国公开发布能够显示它对这场战争态度的公告。这两个行动都是对另一个国家的主权的野蛮侵犯。所以,人们觉得中国会对朝鲜问题作何反应?甚至可以提出一个论点,正是美国把中国拖入朝鲜战争的。好吧,无关的东西到此为止。我们再看看是谁赢得了朝鲜战争。中国?不是。前面讨论过了。美国?不是。它的战争目标,也就是让南朝鲜吞并北朝鲜,没有实现。朝鲜?不是。它未能完成统一南方的战争目标。韩国?有争议。因为南朝鲜并没有首先向北朝鲜宣战,人们可以说它的战争目标是生存,而它在美国的帮助下确实活了下来。然而,南朝鲜也有“北进统一”的战略,在仁川登陆后,它确实在其他联合国军之前推进并越过了38线,我们也可以说它统一半岛的目标没有实现。苏联?是的。经过朝鲜战争,美国的很大一部分注意力被吸引到了东北亚,而苏联很快在欧洲获得了战略平衡。通过一场毫无意义的战争浪费美国的资源,它很快在军事技术方面追上美国,并且成功治愈了二战的创伤。它也通过提供核保护,把中国拉入了它的军事联盟,结果就是十年的中苏蜜月期。所以答案有点出人意料。谁是朝鲜战争的赢家?苏联。--------Joshua Field, Studied in the USTactically speaking, it was a draw. They did save Kim’s regime, but they couldn’t unite both Koreas.Strategically speaking (both in short and long term) it was a victory and a rather important one. No, I’m not talking about the buffer zones. No, I’m not talking about the preservation of North Korea. I’m talking about how the world perceives her before and after the war. Before the war, the Chinese soldiers were known as laundrymen. After the war, the world had no choice but to recognize China as a formidale foe you don’t want to mess with without thinking twice. During operation Rolling Thunder, President Johnson didn’t ask the Air Force to create a 40 km buffer zone just for fun you know?But that’s not the biggest reason why China won. The biggest prize China got is the key to defeat the American military (or at least how not lose to them). After the battle of Pork Chop hills, it was obvious to the whole world that the US can’t afford to lose its personnal. If the war drags on for too long, the army will collapse under the political pressure that’s coming from the White House. Therefore, it you have a lot of soldiers and can afford attrition, you can win a war against the US. It may take years or even decades, but you will eventually win. This discovery will pass on to the Viet Cong and cost the US their War in Vietnam. Even today, the US military still haven’t really found a solution to this problem, other than “finish the war as quickly as possible”.技术上而言,这是个平局。他们却是拯救了金家政权,但他们未能统一两个朝鲜。战略上说(短期和长期都有),这是一场胜利,而且是相当重要的胜利。不,我说的不是缓冲区。不,我说的也不是北朝鲜的存续。我说的是这场战争前后,世界对她的看法。在这场战争之前,中国士兵被称为洗衣工。这场战争之后,全世界别无选择,只能承认中国是一个强大的敌人,想要挑衅它必须三思后行。你知道吗?在滚雷行动期间,约翰逊总统没有只是为了好玩,就要求空军制造一个40公里的缓冲区。但这并不是中国为什么胜利的最大的原因。中国获得的最大奖品是击败美国军队的关键(或者至少是如何不败给他们)。在猪排山战斗之后,很显然全世界都知道美国承担不起人员的损失。如果战争拖延太久,在来自白宫的政治压力之下,这只军队就会崩溃。所以,如果你有很多士兵并且能够承担消耗,那么你就可以打赢一场与美国的战争。这个过程也许是好几年,甚至几十年,但你最终会获胜。这个发现被传授给越共,让美国付出了越战的代价。甚至到今天,美国军队依然没有真正找到这个问题的解决之道,除了“尽可能快的结束战争”。--------Owen Townwall, studied World History & Economic History at University of Cape TownChina didn’t win the Korean War because that was not its goal.Though we don’t really know what China’s goals were in the war, I believe it was basically to push back what was seen as an advancing UN force that had no clear obxtive except ‘pushing the Communist invasion back’.McArthur’s view that nuking China is the only option available basically showed just how far and insane his mind went in trying to beat the Communist threat.China then and now, requires a buffer zone wherever it can have one, from a possible invasion. It beat the Soviets and the Indians in order to ensure a status-quo. The US is far away but South Korea and Japan are seen as possible encroachment by the US into the Chinese sphere of influence.TLDR: China went to war to repel what it saw as American aggression that was about to drip into its territory. It succeeded in doing so - but China was never going to ‘win the war’ for North Korea, so no, it did not win the Korean War.中国并没有赢得朝鲜战争,因为那不是它的目标。虽然我们其实并不知道中国在这场战争中的目标,但我相信它基本上是把那支被视为前进中的联合国军队推回去,而后者也没有一个明显的目标,除了“把GCZY的侵略推回去”。麦克阿瑟的看法是,核爆中国是唯一的选择,这基本上证明了他想要打败GCZY威胁的想法是多么离谱和疯狂。中国当时和现在,在任何可能发生入侵的地方,都需要有一个缓冲区。它打击苏联人和印度人,是为了确保现状。美国很遥远,但韩国和日本都被视为美国可能侵入中国势力范围的地区。中国加入战争是为了击退它眼中的即将渗透到中国领土上的美国侵略。它成功地做到了这一点——但中国永远不会为了朝鲜打赢这场战争,所以不是,它没有赢得朝鲜战争。--------David Ecale, I've read quite a bit, but my specialty is WW1.Gwydion Madawc Williams has the basics & the Yes & No answers are probably all correct. Please let me explain:China sent several Infantry Divisions into North Korea (NK). They devastated the US/UN forces (and were pretty much annihilated in the process). The Chinese & Russian (Russian mostly as MiG pilots) forced an ultimate stalemate pretty close to the original borders. So, yes, they won a (qualified) victory.Fast forward to the Communist re-revolution (It’s OK to be a Communist, but it’s even better to be a RICH one) when Deng Xiaoping took over. Now something terrible occurred. NK kept to the hard line Stalinist philosophy, but China? She started to change.Now to the present. China is stuck with crowds of refugees from NK. It has to support the Regime due to former commitments. If it could just cut it off with a saw & let it sink into the Sea of Japan, it would be overjoyed!So, the great victory of 1954 has turned into the great liability of 2014 & beyond.China won & in the process, ultimately lost!DISCLAIMER: That’s My Two Cents!Gwydion Madawc Williams说出了基本要素,是或者不是的回答可能都不全然正确。请让我解释:中国派出了几个步兵师进入北韩。他们摧毁了美国/联合国的军队(在这个过程中几乎被消灭掉)。中国和俄罗斯(俄国人大多数是米格飞行员)军队实现了一个最终的僵局,而这个僵局接近最初的边界。所以是的,他们赢得了一场(合格的)胜利。时间快速向前,在邓接管国家的时候,实现了一场GC主义的二次革命(作为GC主义者没什么不好的,但成为一个富裕的GC主义者更好)。现在发生了一些严重的事情。北韩保持了强硬的斯大林主义的哲学,但中国呢?她开始做出改变。时间推进到现在。中国被来自北韩的大群难民所困扰。由于之前的承诺,它不得不支持这个政权。如果它能用锯子把这个半岛锯掉,让后者沉入日本海,那么它肯定会大喜过望!所以1954年的胜利就变成了2014年的巨大的包袱,甚至不止于此。中国过程中是胜利了,但最终失败了!免责声明:这是我的浅见!--------Gwydion Madawc Williams, Know a lot of military historyYes.They broadly restored North Korea, which had been on the verge of being destroyed when they stepped in.They inflicted many defeats on US and European armies before the line was stabilised again.They showed that it would be extremely expensive for the USA to try interfering in China.A limited but considerable victory.是的。他们基本上恢复了朝鲜,在他们加入的时候,后者正处于被毁灭的边缘。在战线再次稳定之前,他们给美国和欧洲军队送去了很多失败。他们证明了,美国想要干涉中国将会付出极其高昂的代价。这是一场有限的,但是相当重要的胜利。--------Eirc LinDifferent country have their different target in this war.The war target of China: stop US amry invasion and protect DPRK,make sure the safe of the northeast of China.China complete the mission,so Chinese believe they win the war.You can see the Korean war are called in China as"the war of anti American and help DPRK"The war target of north Korea: Unified Korea, and destroy the south Korea govern. So north Korea lose in this war.The war target of US army and south Korea: to stop north Korea invasion and unified Korea. So they win in stopping invasion but lose in the Unification War.不同的国家在这场战争中有着不同的目标。中国的战争目标:阻止美国军队的侵略,并保护朝鲜,确保中国东北的安全。中国完成了这个任务,所以中国人认为他们打赢了这场战争。你会发现朝鲜战争在中国被称作“抗美援朝战争”。朝鲜的战争目标:统一朝鲜半岛,消灭南朝鲜政府。所以北朝鲜输掉了这场战争。美国军队和南朝鲜的战争目标:阻止北朝鲜的侵略,并统一朝鲜半岛。所以他们成功的阻止了侵略,却输掉了统一战争。--------Wen Ling, Engineer, Coder, Trader, Investor, Amateur HistorianOf course it was a stalemate. But When a heavy-weight Boxer Champion does not win a fight with a light-weight beggar, I think the beggar should be proud and the heavy-weight Boxer may feel shamed!The Korean war gives the CPC the legitimacy to rule China since after 1840 China never won a war of significance and USA was leading a army of United Nation! It is the Korean War that set the foundation of PRC firmed in the ground since maybe the intellectualls still did not like CPC, but at least it can defend the China if necessary.This point can be very clearly proved by the fact that after 1950 more young educated Chinese flocked back to PRC, among whom Qian Xuesen 钱学森 was the most famous.Mao once said US army cannot beat PLA if the equipment are the same because US army relies on advanced equipment too much!当然是一场僵局。但是如果一个重量级的拳击冠军没有打赢一场与轻量级穷鬼的比赛,我觉得那个穷鬼应该骄傲,而重量级拳手也许会觉得羞耻!朝鲜战争让CPC获得了统治中国的合法性,因为1840年后,中国从来没有打赢一场大规模战争,而且这场战争的对手是美国领导的联合国军!正是朝鲜战争奠定了PRC的基础,因为知识分子们或许依然不喜欢CPC,但至少它可以在必要的时候保护中国。这一点被事实十分清楚的证明,1950年后,更多年轻的受过良好教育的中国人纷纷回到中国,钱学森就是其中最着名的一个。毛曾经说过,如果装备相同,美国是打不过PLA的,因为美国军队过于依赖先进的装备!--------LIU Xiang Rong, former Beijing at Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (2011-2015)To clarify who is the winner, we have to know what are the purpose of each participants.Actually there were two wars.First one is that the North invaded the South. Defeated by US. China has no business in this war.Second one is tha USA pushed beyond the 38’ line and wanted to wipe out DPRK. (China warned USA that it must stop in front of 38’ line, which was refused by USA)In first war:DPRK wanted to occupy SK, finally failed.USA and ROK wanted to maintain SK, finally won.In second war:USA wanted to wipe out DPRK, finally failed.PRC wanted to prevent any USA force near the border, finally won.为了澄清谁是胜利者,我们必须知道参战各方各自的目的。实际上有两场战争。第一场是北方入侵南方。结果被美国打败。中国没有参与这场战争。第二场是美国越过38线,想要消灭朝鲜。(中国警告美国它必须在38线止步,但美国拒绝了)在第一场战争中:北朝鲜想要占领南朝鲜,最终失败。美国和南朝鲜想要维持南朝鲜,最终成功。在第二场战争中:美国想要消灭北朝鲜,最终失败。PRC想要阻止任何美国军队接近其边境,最终成功。--------Ray Nieves, Have a masters degree. Served in USAFR, In health careWell, not really; consider the GOAL of NK supported by China was to annex South Korea and was confident it would expand its line of communism. In the end the south was not conquered and while not a victory for the UN, neither was it a victory for China. Looking at the results over time, SK is a prosperous, modern industrious nation while NK has seen suffering, starvation and suppression and cannot survive without help from China. I think China actually lost.好吧,考虑到受中国支持的北韩的目标是吞并南韩,并且有信心扩大GCZY的范围,所以中国并没有胜利。最终,南韩没有被攻克,虽然不是联合国的胜利,但也不是中国的胜利。随着时间过去,再看看结果,南韩成为一个繁荣、现代化的工业国家,而北韩一直在遭受困苦、饥荒和镇压,没有中国的帮助就活不下去。我觉得中国实际上输了。--------Li-Geng Tian, worked at Beijing, Chinawhile some would argue that China did not achieve military victory in korea (fought to a stand off), but politically it was undoubtedly a great victory.korea was the first war that China was capable to voluntarily send troops to fight against foreign power for well over a hundred years. it was an amazing boost of confidence in the rule of CCP. it made a lot of Chinese realise that their government could protect them against foreign invaders, something hadnt happened for a long time.the fact that mao's son died fighting in korea inspired a whole generation. it was part of the reason why mao was so respected by that generation.虽然有些人会说中国在朝鲜没有实现军事胜利(打出了一个停火),但在政治上这毫无疑问是一场伟大的胜利。朝鲜战争是一百多年来中国第一次有能力自愿派遣军队与外国大国作战。它惊人的提升了CCP统治的自信心。它让很多中国人意识到,他们的政府能够保护他们免遭外国侵略,而这件事长期以来都是不可能的。毛的儿子在朝鲜战死的事实激励了整整一代人。这也是为什么毛被那一代人如此尊敬的部分原因。--------Robert Charles Lee, Printbroker, financial printer, non-practising lawyerYes — if you go by the official Chinese version of events.No — if you go by the official Western version(s) of events.We draw our own conclusions on the matter via the use of triangulation when it comes to matters like this.是的,如果你看中国官方版本的叙事。不是,如果你看西方官方版本的叙事。当说到这样的问题,我们都会通过修正来对这些问题作出自己的结论。--------Biko Tiggeler, studied Havo 5 & Economics and Sociology Subjects with Art History Lessons at Citadel College, Netherlands ...This is answer based on the knowledge I’ve gathered in history lesson in High School (I’m in my last year, so it’s still fresh in my mind) and by browsing the internet. So I can be wrong.IMPORTANT: ALWAYS THINK FOR YOURSELF AND CHECK MULTIPLE SOURCES, WITH DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEWS!The Korean War, as it’s name suggests, is war that begin between the capitalistic South Korea(I’ll abbreviate it to S.K. or the South) and communistic North Korea(N.K. or the North), spilt up the same way as with Germany: a part for the USSR and a part for the other Allies/US.When N.K. invaded S.K. in a surprise attack the North could easily went past Seoul(S.K. capital) in a few days. The South saw they would certainly lose and that the capitalistic Korea would disappear into a communist Korea.So they called in the support of the new found United Nations (commonly abbreviated as UN), in other words the US.N.K. knew they couldn’t beat the US so they called in the other communist nations, including China.As far as I know China didn’t play a major part in the war. The USSR played a bigger part with many armed personnel and supplying tanks and planes. What I’ve read on the overview article on the Korean War page on Wikipedia about China’s part is that China mainly tried to get both to dialogue on peace. Especially when the UN/US keept winning terrain and almost completely defeated N.K. and far in the North.The war ‘ended’ with the original border and the installment of the DMZ on the 38th parallel. It’s still being fought in Cold War style, with recent nuclear testing on N.K. side.To answer your question directly:So far no one has won, and especially not China since it played a relative small role on North Korea’s side. And it’s a war between to two other countries, not China.这个回答是根据我在高中历史课上的知识(我现在在毕业班,所以这些东西依然记忆犹新)以及网上搜索的东西总结而来。所以可能存在谬误。重点:永远要独立思考,并且核实不同的信息来源,带着不同的政治观点!朝鲜战争,正如其名,是一场发生在资本主义南朝鲜(简写为SK或者南方)和GC主义北朝鲜(NK或者北方)之间的战争,二者以与德国同样的方式分裂:一部分向着苏联,另一部分向着盟军/美国。当NK通过突然袭击入侵SK,北方在数年内就轻易的打到了曾经的汉城(SK的首都)。南方眼看他们肯定会失败,而且那个资本主义的朝鲜会被GC主义朝鲜所吞并。所以他们向新成立的联合国(通常缩写为UN)——换句话说就是美国——求助。NK知道他们打不过美国,所以他们互换其他GC主义国家,包括中国。据我所知,中国在这场战争中并没有扮演主要角色。苏联的角色更加重要,它提供了很多武装人员,并供应了坦克和飞机。我在维基百科所读到的朝鲜战争概述文章,其中关于中国的部分是中国主要在努力的让双方展开和平对话。尤其是当UN/US一直攻城略地,几乎彻底击败NK,并深入北方。这场战争在最初的边界“结束”,并且在38线设置了非军事区。然而这场战争依然在以冷战的模式继续,NK方面最近实施了核试验。直接回答你的问题:迄今为止没有胜利者,而且中国尤其不是,因为它在北朝鲜一方扮演的角色相对较小。而且这是一场发生在其他两个国家之间的战争,而不是中国。--------Anderw Marcell, works at Essex Collections, Garden State Collections, Marcell Management LLCNo. There was little desire on the part of the UN to continue fighting. A cease fire effectively ended the fighting. There is no peace treaty and fighting can start at anytime. The DPRK uses this threat to extort money, oil food and goods from the West.不。联合国方面基本没有继续打下去的想法。停火有效的结束了战斗。因为没有和平条约,所以战斗随时可以开始。北韩利用这种威胁从西方敲诈金钱、石油、食品和货物。--------Jeff Dege, M.S. Software Engineering, University of St. Thomas, St. PaulNorth Korea began the war with the goal of conquering South Korea.The United Nations entered the war with the goal of preserving South Korea.China entered the war with the goal of preserving North Korea.Both China and the United Nations achieved their goals. North Korea did not.北韩带着攻克南韩的目标发起战争。联合国带着保存南韩的目标加入战争。中国带着保存北韩的目标加入战争。中国和联合国都实现了他们的目标。而北韩没有。--------Diana Tevlon, Chief at Risks Assessment GroupNo winners in the Korean war, otherwise the two Koreans would’ve been united.朝鲜战争没有赢家,否则两个朝鲜就已经统一了。--------Preston Ingalls, lives in The United States of AmericaIt was fought to a stalemate. That explains the Ceasefire versus peace treaty. To say China won would be to say the UN won.打成了僵局。这解释了为什么是挺火协定,而不是和平条约。如果说中国赢了,那联合国也赢了。--------Darren Ewers, CEO & Founder at SELF EMPLOYED ENTREPRENUERPlain and simply No as no one won as technically the peninsula is still at war - however China did get a puppet state (even if lately its been rather unruly) compared to the whole of Korea being a friend of the US.简单的说,不是。因为没有赢家,技术上来说朝鲜半岛依然处于战争状态——然而与整个朝鲜半岛成为美国的朋友相比,中国确实得到了一个傀儡国家(纵容最近它相当的难以控制)。--------Vincent ZhaoIt is not a win, it is just getting its purpose and pay heavy price这不是一场胜利,只是达成目标,并且付出了沉重的代价。--------Havit Steel Structure, Steel Structure Fabricator in China(在中国做钢结构)China no win but no lose ,中国没赢也没输。--------Jackson Dawson, former (currently Freelance) Graphic/3D Designer at Lightmares (2017)No winners. The war never ended technically.没有胜者。这场战争从技术上说还没有结束。--------Hosiki Kim, self-employed(个体户)It is a sad story.Nobody wins, nobody lost.You see. There are 2 Koreas now.If one won the war, it must be 1 Korea now.这是个悲伤的故事。没有胜利者,没有失败者。你看到了,现在有两个朝鲜。如果有人打赢了这场战争,那现在肯定只有一个了。--------Gregg Gray, former Worked at the White House for Six Years.(在白宫工作过6年)Nobody won the Korean War, it is still going on.没有人打赢朝鲜战争。它依然在继续。--------Glenn ReeceBasically yes. When mcarther decided to push the north as far out of s. Korea as he could it went really well so China had to get involved because the could not stand the idea of western influences being next door to them. the same is true today. It didn’t take long to realize that thousands of American were dying at the hands of the Chinese and not n. Korea基本上是的。当麦克阿瑟决定尽可能的把北韩人赶出南韩,事情进行的十分顺利。所以中国不得不加入其中,因为它不能忍受西方的影响力近在咫尺。今天也是如此。不久以后,人们就意识到成千上万的美国人死在中国人手里,而不是北韩手里。--------Huynh AnNo!North and South Korea were EVEN. The USA kept an “outpost” (SK) alive while China kept the “barrier” (NK) from being overrun.The result was a draw.不!北韩和南韩是平手。美国让它的“前哨”(南韩)活下来,而中国让它的“篱笆”(北韩)免于被推倒。结果是平局。--------Christopher Witman, Ex-US Army and Reserve Veteran of ten 10 years w/ an Associates in Military histThey won it about as much as the US and UN did.他们的胜利和美国以及联合国一样多。--------FakeJoeZhiAccording to the strength of the United States,they should attack and occupy Beijing at least . However ,they were stopped on 38°N.考虑到美国的实力,他们至少应该攻击并占领北京。然而,他们在38线就止步不前。--------Randall Jacobs, former Retired at Medical Device IndustryIt ended in a truce. I would say that all parties were losers它以停战协定告终。要我说,所有参与方都是失败者。



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